October in the Bay Area is, in most years, the best month to enjoy Mediterranean-like weather. However, this weekend skies were gray and reports of heavy rains are forecasted for the days ahead. It's hot chocolate weather. However I wanted something sweet alongside that treat.
So while it may come as a surprise to some, that for two years I have tried to replicate a pumpkin-chocolate chip cookie offered at the coffee shop in the little hamlet where I live with no success, I decided to try again. The taste of this cookie: pumpkin with the hint of allspice, nutmeg and cinnamon makes it a "seasonal" cookie in that I only eat it in the autumn.
I tried many recipes but they weren't of the cake-like consistency that this version turns out. It's like a firmer pumpkin muffin. Perfect for a fall afternoon tea break.
Pumpkin Nut & Chip Cookies
4 oz unsalted butter, softened
1 1/2 cups granulated sugar
1 cup canned organic pumpkin
1 large egg, lightly beaten
1 teaspoon vanilla extract
2 1/2 cups flour, all purpose
1 teaspoon baking powder
1 teaspoon baking soda
½ teaspoon salt
3 tspns pumpkin pie spice
1 1/2 tsp cinnamon
1/2 cup walnuts, chopped
1 cup semi-sweet chocolate chips
Preheat oven to 350 degrees F.
Cream softened butter and sugar with an electric hand mixer. Beat in, one at a time, pumpkin, egg and vanilla and beat until smooth.
In another bowl, stir together the flour, baking powder, baking soda, salt, pumpkin pie spice and cinnamon together; combine this bowl of ingredients into the into bowl containing pumpkin batter. Stir in the nuts and chocolate chips.
Drop by tablespoons onto parchment lined cookie sheets and bake on center rack for 15-17 minutes.
Makes about 36 cookies.
Adapted from a recipe from the California Milk Advisory Board.
Last week, a friend and I found ourselves at the weekly microbrew tasting at the Jug Shop. We tasted 7 releases that were special collaborations. As the beer poured several guys kept were espousing about the history of I.P.A. (India Pale Ale). No one seemed to know the full story. So I did some digging.
Imagine, if you will, a country, England, filled with people who love to drink fine ale. That country establishes one of the great naval forces of all time, and in so doing its leaders encounter many challenges. Not the least of which is the importance of keeping beer on hand for the navy sailors, soldiers and colonists in settlements around the world. Soon realizing that the porter ales didn't travel well across the great ocean blue arriving sour and flat after time and shifts in temperature.
Enter, at the end of the 18th century, an enterprising brewer named George Hodgson, brewer at the Bow Brewery in East London, who was motivated to solve the problem. In doing so he invented a new style of beer--India Pale Ale--which is where it was its key destination for the Royal Empire. His approach included brewing it to a high alcohol level and using more hops than any previous beers. High hop levels can preserve a beer’s flavor in two ways: they have a limited ability to protect beer from spoilage by some microorganisms, and, more importantly, theirbitterness can mask stale flavors. While there is not enough alcohol in any beer to offer serious protection from microorganisms, having more of it will certainly not hurt. So really the magic is the is in the hops.According to Real Beer:
High hop levels can preserve a beer’s flavor in two ways: they have a limited ability to protect beer from spoilage by some microorganisms, and, more importantly, their bitterness can mask stale flavors. While the beer arriving in India would certainly have suffered from oxidative staling during the long voyage, it could still taste acceptable because of the masking effect of alcohol and hops. Original English I.P.A.s were strong, very hoppy beers weighing in at about 7-10% ABV.
This new brew recipe began shipping during the 1790s as Hodgson's India Ale. The drink is called pale ale because they were lighter in color than the popular brown ales, porters and stouts. These copper-colored, reddish-bronze beers were some of the the first beers in the world paler than the more commonly found black or brown.
Hodgson’s export beer was a success, and he worked hard to maintain his monopoly on the Indian beer trade. Eventually, other brewers, notably Bass and Allsop, managed to begin trading their own versions of I.P.A. in India, and some brewers began producing a somewhat more subtle version of I.P.A. for the domestic market.Today, in America, most I.P.A.s are dry-hopped adding a fresh aroma while removing the bitterness. It averages about 5-10% ABV
The brew tasting that brought this all up was the Schneider & Brooklyn Hopfen-Weisse collaboration, that tasted hoppy, zesty and well very refreshing. (Alc/Vol: 8.2%; IBU: 40) . Very drinkable.
A few weekends ago, after
leaving the SF Ferry Plaza Farmers Market I ended up being diverted through
Russian Hill. As I navigated the car
over the hills I met up with a curiosity--a middle-aged Chinese woman tightening
twine off a wooden stick held up between
two wooden chairs. From his line hung
long 7” to 10” slabs of meat. I
double-parked to take a closer look.
The basement level
apartment was dark inside excepting for a shadow of movement. I waved and out came a middle-aged woman
with a warm face. It turned out to be Chinese bacon air-curing in the dry,
winter sunlight. As good a place as any right outside her apartment door on the
city sidewalk. What I was able to piece together was that it was Lop
Yuk or Chinese bacon. Her mother
made a new batch every six weeks or so.
“It’s much better and you save monies.” She said grinning. The simple
recipe involves the belly cut of the pig treated with Chinese wine (shaoxing)
soy sauce, brown sugar, and spices for seven to ten days or until it is hard.
In order to use it in
recipes it needs to be soaked for about 6 or 7 hours before being sliced,
chopped and fried for use in recipes such as Chinese stir-fried greens or
Chinese sticky rice. I’ve also simply
sautéed it and added it to scrambled eggs.
Unfortunately the woman I
chatted with said that she never made it herself as her mother “only” was the
one to make it for the family. She
said, “someday! I watch very careful!”
Chinese Stir Fried Greens with Bacon
Adapted from The Bacon Cookbook by James Villas
3 oz. air-cured Chinese
bacon, soaked in water at least 6 hours (rind removed), coarsely chopped
1 tblspn peanut oil
1 tblspn sesame oil
3 garlic cloves, peeled
and finely sliced
2 tspns salt
2 lbs Chinese shredded
greens (e.g. bok choy, spinach)
3 tblspns chicken broth
In a large skilled fry the
bacon over medium heat until crisps, drain on paper towels, and pour off all
but 1 tablespoon of the fat. Add the
two types of oils to the bacon fat, increase the heat to high, and when just
smoking, add the garlic and salt and stir fry for 15 seconds. Add the greens and stir-fry until wilted,
about 3-4 minutes. Add the broth and
bacon and stir-fry until the greens are still slightly crisp, about 2 minutes.
Serve immediately.
Serves 4
The last four months have somewhat erased any "regular routine" I thought I had. After a few weeks restabilizing after India I took a 3-week trip to Boston to tend to family concerns. Now I'm back and although I started this post a few days ago I stopped when I heard the devasting news from Mumbai. The new friends I made in Mumbai during my stay just a few weeks past are all safe. Needless to say it's left me a little tweaked and unsettled given that I sat in the lobby of the Taj--a maginficient old lady--just people watching and think how special Mumbai and its people really are.
Image: Artist Unknown
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A few days ago anticipating leftovers I decided to try my hand once again with making filled breads. I have had pretty good success over the years perfecting technique while making chocolate babka. This is only made at the holidays elevating it's unique and special status to those that receive the tasty holiday gift. Bread making, as much as everyone looks for a quick homemade route is time intensive.
However, my first attempt, about six months ago, with Cinnamon-Raisin Bread from Margaux Sky's Beautiful Breads & Fabulous Fillings left my little cottage smoky and me fuming angry to the point of tossing the whole lot--bread and pan out the door and into the bin followed by some cruse words. You see, these breads are not for the meek. I've been making bread for years. I go through cycles were I am experimenting with egg breads, sourdough starters and no-knead breads. They are a serious but rewarding endeavor. This particular cookbook has such strong components: a creamy Viognier and pineapple sauce; coffee liqueur mushroom sauce and a quick honey-mustard-curry sauce. Unfortunately it is just a tad weak on technique and the recipes are written loosely so this is not for anyone on their maiden voyage. With these filled breads you need to prepare the fillings in advance of the bread. The rising and kneading are relatively quick requiring two rises.
Long before Oprah's name became synonymous with Ms. Sky's Curried Chicken Sandwich she ran a popular San Luis Obispo sandwich shop. and that sandwich is now called the "O Special." The chicken-based filling is sandwiched between Spicy White Pepper-Jack Bread. This, I thought, would be an excellent compliment to a post-Thanksgiving turkey salad.
The entire effort probably took about 4 hours. The curry sauce is really just a honey-mustard with a ration of 2:1. Next time I would decrease the amount of honey as it was a tad too sweet for me. Also I might do a blend of Monterey jack and its zippy cousin--pepper Jack. I also used a yellow curry powder which I felt guilty about doing as my masala dabba sat there begging to be used from my travels to India. Old habits die hard. Also, what I can't figure out is Ms. Sky's portions there's no way the amount of curry sauce and jack cheese could be accommodated in this bread so I just did what I could.
The taste is good, especially when toasted and with the turkey salad and cranberry-quince chutney piled on top. Also you would think Ms. Skye is a stock holder in Lawry's Lemon Pepper--it's used everywhere. I forgot how tasty this blend actually is so it's back in the cupboard.
Next on the horizon is Peanut-Butter Fudge Bread. The basic white bread is made and tucked in the fridge. This weekend we'll see what lessons bloom from that effort.
Spicy White Pepper-Jack Bread
Makes 1 loaf - Adapted recipe from Beautiful Breads by Margaux Sky
Basic White Bread Dough (1/4 portion-see below)
2 tblspns olive oil
1 1/2 cups curry sauce (see below)
1 1/2 tblspns cayenne, 1 tblspn Lawry's lemon pepper, 1/4 tspn salt - Mix together
2 cups shreded Montery Jack cheese
1 egg
2 tablespons water
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Prepare the Basic White Dough.
Generously butter a 9-inch loaf pan.
Roll out 1/4 of the risen basic white dough into a 9" x 11" rectangle so that the long side is near you.
Spread the olive oil over the dough followed by the curry sauce. Sprinkle the cayene-lemon pepper-salt blend over the curry sauce. Sprinkle the cheese over the spcies.
Tightly roll the dough into a loaf, with the rolling action going away from your body. To hold in most of the filling, fold the outer edges of the dough in as you roll. When finished, pinch the seam together firmly.
Place the dough into the prepared loaf pan seam side down . Loosely cover with plastic wrap, place the pan in a warm, dry place and allow the dough to rise for 60 minutes.
Preheat over to 400 degrees. After rise bake for about 1 hour. During the last 10 minutes of baking time sprinkle wome of the filing over the top of the loaf for color and taste. Cool for 30 minutes before slicing.
Basic White Dough
Ingredients: Makes 4 loaves (but I cut the portions below in half and had success)
· 2 tablespoons yeast
· 4 cups warm milk
· 4 cups half-and-half (I used whole milk instead)
· 1/2 cup (1 stick) butter, melted
· 1/2 cup powdered sugar
· 16 cups all-purpose flour, plus extra for dusting
· 3 1/2 tablespoons salt
In a large bowl, dissolve the yeast in the milk and half-and-half. Let stand for 5 minutes, until the yeast is foamy. Add the butter and mix with a whisk. Add the powdered sugar and mix well to break up any clumps.
In a large bowl (or stand mixer bowl), combine the flour and salt. Slowly add the liquid mixture to the flour mixture and knead well. If you’re using a stand mixer, knead for 3 to 4 minutes. If you’re kneading by hand, knead for 4 to 7 minutes. Keep the dough moist for a soft, tender bread.
Place the kneaded dough in a generously buttered bowl, cover with a towel or loosely with plastic wrap, and let rise in a warm, dry place for 1 hour.
NOTE: {START THE FILLING}
Punch down the dough with your fist, and divide into 4 portions, one for each loaf.
Curry Sauce
1 1/2 cups honey
3/4 cup spicy mustard
1 tblspn Lawry's lemon pepper
1 tblspn curry powder
1/4 tspn salt
In a large bowl combine all ingredients and mix well. Makes 2 cups--you only need 1 1/2 cups for the bread--there's extra if you want to warm it up and blend with your chicken or turkey.
Homogeneity makes for healthy milk but anemic friendships. We need relationships that cross culturally imposed lines to enlarge our hearts and expand our vistas." -- Dan Schmidt
Mumbai. It's an energetic, complex, and pardon the cliche, a masala of a destination. Oldways mix with the new and create something else entirely. Knowing my time here was limited I signed up for a private tour with Mumbai Magic. This decision made at the last minute will now be added to the best decisions-in-trip-planning list. It was fate and luck that I eneded up with Deepa, the company owner as my guide. As a result I not only received an insider's view of middle-class Mumbai but also perspective and understanding, something that would take me several long visits to gain. Deepa gave me insight into religion, textiles and sari history and also made me see things about how we may appear different culturally we share a common bond through our connection as women.
We also shared a love of food, culture, creativity and our thoughts on what we want from ourselves and life. It was a special day.
Deepa also blogs. This post, "The choices women make--an Indian viewpoint" offers an incredible amount of insight in understanding our sisters here in urban centers in this country. How much does this sound like a Western point of view too?
At the end of the day she shared with me the other side of Mumbai--Dharavi. I hadn't expected to see this first hand. My only understanding comes from Shantaram (someday I'll stop talking about this book!) and from the National Georgraphic article, Dharavi | Mumbai's Shadow City. Only through Deepa could I get a new perspective. No it isn't all a happy story. There's no running water so the air is heavy with human stench. She warned me that she had nightmares. I did have nightmares last night. But what I did see was a community that works. Women taking care of their children while working in small cottage industries such as pottery and pappadum making. A man preparing a dessert in two big steel pots outside the Hindu temple for the evenings final night of prayers (Sunday was Krishna's birthday and Monday was the final day of prayers.), shared a taste.
So thank you Deepa. You are a generous, compassionate sister. The gift you gave me through the sharing so intimately of your family, home, city and it's communities has left its mark on me and I am forever changed because of it.
NAMASTE!
Note: If your travel plans include Mumbai or other points in India look up Mumbai Magic. The company is socially-pogressive and is making a difference in young teens lives in the cities they service.
Ed. Note: the computer at this internet shop is old and this is the third time I've written this--spell check crashes explorer...onward and excuse grammar and syntax. I need to pack and get to street food, kebabs at Bade Miya before 9:30pm. The 24 hour + transist begins at 10pm tonight!
This photo is how I am choosing to remember the most beautiful building in the world. Because the truth of the matter is that today I behaved badly as a tourist. I don't stay within the lines. I don't like being led. I am not a good sheep in a flock. There that wasn't so bad. I also see that this is as true on the road as it is back home.
I officially hit that wall that travelers hit when on the road for more than two weeks. The point where you can't take the stares, the not being understood, the language barrier...you like that you are out in the world but at the same time you've been gone long enough to miss those creature comforts that you take for granted. I will never get comfortable with people standing over you as you eat. You start to miss electricity, running hot water and your cell phone. You can no longer tolerate the smells of body, diesel and animals. You are continually confronted with the issues of poverty and are saddened when you see that naked child running down the road, or the 9 year old selling the postcard book instead of being in school (he needs to work.) India is an land of complex realities. Happiness and sadness. The best of humanity. The worst of humanity. It's all a cliche and then it's not.
It hasn't been all temples, spice and chai delights. Today nearly sent me over the edge. And really I knew it was going to happen. I've been traveling solo for a few days now and as much as you know it is going to happen it just sneaks up on you. As Mr. Singh (he laughs cutely when I shout "Singh is King" which is a just released-here Bollywood blockbuster...) entered the state of Uttar Pradesh. It's a rural state and main road plies heavily to the tourist trade. (Ed. note: I'm not near Lucknow and today's monsoon.)
All tourist vehicles coming into the state are required to stop and submit paperwork. Mr. Singh left me behind in the car and wham-o I had 3 souvenir sellers, one snake charmer and six monkeys on the car. I'm here to tell you monkeys flat against your car window with their private parts at eye level are very difficult to ignore. But I pretended to bury myself in my book as I flicked them away using the wrist movement I have seen locals use. It magically worked.
Then the tour at the Taj Mahal by guide, Mr. Sanjeev. I didn't like that you are stripped of everything except what you can carry. I WANTED my crutch tour book. I wanted my water bottle and socks. And call me a dumb American but in all the ads and mentions I've seen related to this building it is referred to as a home, and one man's testament to his one true soul mate. (I'll buy that.). But today I learned it's essentially a grave site. Gosh golly, I'm in marketing so I know that doesn't sell but why didn't I know that? Mr. Sanjeeve kept on looking at all my pictures and then asking for the camera. "You are not capturing the beauty. This is the most magnificent building you will be being at in your life. Please. The camera to me. This after I asked him why there are no signs in India to help people out. He replied, "ma'am this is India, it is our duty to serve you." As we approached the main gate I was stared at, pointed at and asked by many to have their picture taken with me. I thought this was cute at first. Now I'm starting to feel like the Siamese Twins at the circus. Don't worry, I'm being a good ambassador for America.
Anyway, I'll stop the whining. I'm a lucky girl. I walked around the Taj Mahal today. There's me at the "Princess Diana bench" with my handy scarf. This is Mr. Sanjeev's idea of what a good posed photo is. My feet shouldn't be on the ground as my husband should think me "relaxed" and in "good hands." Tomorrow it's Mr. Sampson. And I am NOT going to one more government showroom. I am going to the bazaar in Jaipur. I'll be "being better" tomorrow. I just miss my life, my bed and wine but it's all around the corner. I'm going back to my room and eating a Kit Kat. I think I'm ready for Mumbai. Hmmm...maybe not.
Becky, another fellow Kerala tour traveler has posted some thoughts about her experience.
Image by Trey Ratcliff Stuck in Customs. For more more remarkable, breathtaking images used under Creative Commons with credits.
I've been remiss in mentioning my other half. My "husband" of less than one year. We've been on this trip together after all. As the days lapse the story of my dear one are growing more elaborate. You see before I left I had been cautioned that when traveling if you aren't married I should sport a gold wedding band as a means to explain myself. I've been wearing one and it's on my list of smart moves for this trip--after Cipro and malaria medication (the mosquitoes are quite hardy all over India during the monsoons).
While I took the visible action of trotting into a jewelery shop with J.C. who wisely advised that the band should be gold as India favors this metal, I didn't think through the questions I would get. All over India one of the first things ask after, "What is your good name?" or "Are you alone?" is "Are you married." Yes, I say as I raise my left hand to rest just at my neckline.
Today in Delhi while being sold a magic carpet I was asked to talk about my husband and our plans for children in great length. The saga Charles, my workaholic but successful Silicon Valley venture capitalist spouse took a turn. Charles travels a lot to Mumbai for business and we want children but he's never home. He also dislikes it when I make major purchases for our three-story Victorian. We're newlyweds, married on New Year's Eve. He's romantic and he loves my cooking. His favorite is my fish curry.
Seriously, all these responses rolled off my tongue as fast as the questions interrogation over saffron-cinnamon-cardamom tea with the shop manager. He thinks that if I can bring a boy into the world for him my life with Charles will be happy. For good luck I should purchase a magic carpet from the small artisan village in Kashmir. So I did and now I really need another suitcase. Also the only way I was able to take the image above was so that Charles could see the many available choices as I really "should be buying many magic carpets." Good thing Amir, the sales manager, likes software people, "they have very good love in their hearts and smart in the head."
My other highlight from today is diverting from the outlined itinerary with my local guide and driver. I may or may not have seen Asia's largest spice market in Chandi Chowk. I saw a lot but when your guide is not food oriented and it's 98 degrees with 80% humidity patience is a commodity. He had also just misplaced his mobile phone--the one with a snake charmer ring tone.
The images above were taken in the market--the one with the cheese speaks volumes. It's on the ground, but so sweetly wrapped in a tea towel at the feet of a stray dog. Cheese anyone?!
Vivek, the 27-year old guide, does suggest that you only need to be rich in your heart in life (I am finding Hindus poetic...) stated that he doesn't take tourists there. I replied, "that is exactly my reason for wanting to go." Today's adventure also included a harrowing bicycle rickshaw ride where we got into a 3-way collision--no damage at all but a lot of wobbling of the heads and discussion.
Tomorrow it is off to Agra with my nerves-of-steel driver, Mr. Singh. His prescription for driving in Delhi is that "one must have a good heart, a good horn and great luck. Oh yes, He has a boy and a girl and has been married 21 years. He's 43.
Charles if you are reading by the time we get to Bombay we'll have worked things out through precious gems of India--rubies most likely.
P.S.: Mike Pardus of the Culinary Institute of America was on the Kerala Spice & Culinary tour and has begun the first of several posts (not sure of the next posting but it'll happen--he took a lot of notes. He runs the Asian Culinary education program at CIA so having him on the trip was great as he could help out in elaborating on the "why" and answered a lot of "what's this?" in the markets. Check out his first post here.
Today is the last day of the tour and everyone is preparing to head home or to other destinations. A handful of us headed out very early this morning to visit a stop at a Hindu temple and the market. We are having our farewell dinner tonight. In preparation we all took the shopping list and divided it between us--I thought I had it easy--carrot, shallots and curry leaves. Right, until the vendor is waving all plant life in your face and you are nodding no, no, no. And another man is behind your shoulder smiling widely and nodding, "where you be from?" United States. Ohhh, are you alone? are you married?" Well, I am not alone. "My name be Akbar, like the king." I smiled and said "of course." You help me find curry, OK?" After many stall visits we did and he pointed to my camera and said, you should have photo of me, so you be remembering me." So I did.
The image above is not Akbar but a brother and sister whose proud parents wanted me to take their photo. As galfriend Jen says, "darling."
Right now, lunch is on the stove, a Keralan fish curry, pictured above. One thing about cooking here--spice is used in generous portions but it is not overwhelming. Before my visit to India I found cardamom a nice alternative, something to use occasionally. Today I am a smarter woman. I ADORE this spice. I have not only eaten it but the Aurevedic massage oil that I was slathered in yesterday like a piece of sirloin sent me into a state of bliss.
OK, must get ready for lunch, and then mehendi the henna painting done for weddings. Tomorrow's a travel day to Delhi for the second phase of the trip. I'm still looking for my copy of Bollywood's Om Shanti Om. I do like the looks I get when asking for it!
Part 1
I have two more days in Kerala. At this point every day and event is seen as singular but of the same time. I have been less than honest with the travel journal in that I have not been paying it much attention. I can say that I am relying on my Canon G9 to document where I have been and what I have seen. It's day 8 and I am have taken nearly 2300 images. And I have more than a week remaining. Internet connections have been erratic and unreliable. Working USB ports a surprise. I am hoping Delhi and Mumbai are more wired.
Kerala is a green, beautiful, welcoming place. It's the perfect passport to experiencing India. The air is filled with frankincense, curry and the sounds jingle-jangling anklet bells. I always thought travel writers made that part up. In the group, we have taken to saying, "Holy Cow. We're in India."
This morning (Sunday) after a homemade breakfast of poori, alloo and fried plantains the women were all measured for saris. We will receive them tomorrow, with a lesson on how to wrap that yardage of textile around ourselves. Monday will be our last full day together as a group. Some will travel to Mumbai, others North such as myself to see the Golden Triangle. I am so glad I hired a driver and a guide. If it makes me appear as the Raj so be it! The drivers here make Bostonians seem meek!
Part 2
Religion in India is part of everyday life here. Wherever you go there are images of Genesh, Vishnu, and Jesus--in tea shops, in hotels, and also in the auto rickshaws. Every morning wherever we may be at 5am I am awakened by the call to prayers. Many times, depending on where you are in Kerala you will also here similar prayer calls for Muslims.
In order to reach the village church this morning for Mass I needed to take a dugout--a type of wide wooden boat where movement is generated by punting with a long bamboo pole. After a short walk, and many waves and smiles from and to locals, I reached the 600-year church established by the Portuguese.
After leaving behind my shoes on the steps, I covered my head with the shawl that has become permanently attached to me here. Men were to the left and the women, wrapped in a pastiche of saris with heads covered to the right.
The gathering of worshipers, Syrian Christians, is similar to Roman Catholic. There was such energy in the room. The majority stood or knelled for the duration. While spoken in the local dialect I could make out many of the prayers based on intonation and from the common structure. Communion was tasted the same as always but the wafer was thinner, almost transparent.
Now, you should know, for whatever reason I do get emotional in Church. Maybe it's the being present to faith and belief. It could also be the energy and how much this Mass was spoken by the congregation. It was inspiring to see everyone's faith illustrated--there were no hymn books, no Mass books to recite the prayers from--it all came from the heart. And it was loud inside that church--nothing like Masses I've been to outside of Easter and Christmas.
Closing
The air is now filled with the smells of a vegetable curry lesson going on in Anu's kitchen so I must close. The next post will most likely be Tuesday or Wednesday from Delhi. If anyone knows where to find fresh curry leaves in the Bay Area I need a source!
what happens to the hole when the donut is gone?
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